i really love the ability to just straight up kill Rohan. like, i absolutely hate their entire character and don't give a shit about any of their justifications (not a criticism of the game, to be clear. they're well enough written)
the fact they're a love interest would mean, in most cases of this type of game, that the MC would be expected to just forget what Rohan did and what happened, so i was pleasantly surprised when the option came up to murder them.
i understand this is probably not the good choice, but it just feels way more real to me than any other option would be, like forgiving them or letting them live.
i guess what i'm saying is i like the option to be an angry, vengeful person. it's a pleasant change from some other games like this, and is very satisfying as a gameplay experience.
Personally, I very much enjoyed the ability to hate them, to hit them, etc., and then let them live, because like. Nobody would expect you to forgive someone who cut off your arm.
It's one of those things where I find the 'I hate your guts and in any other circumstance I wouldn't tolerate you' dynamic so interesting. But other things matter more to my MC in this case, and they don't want to just be the big scary murderer.
yeah, i get that, but i probably didn't word my point as well as i should have, cause like, it's not exactly about the killing of rohan per-se.
like yeah, hitting them but letting them live is cool and all, but the ability to remove them from the story by killing them is what i really appreciate.
i guess what im saying is the praise im giving the story is more structural than plot based.
again, though, totally valid. i think that i said in my earlier comment that killing them is probably the wrong decision.
also sorry if this reply is weird, i like talking about this and felt like clarifying, but i get you might not have wanted or expected a response, so sorry bout that.
Oh, no, I got what you were saying entirely. It's the power of that choice - the fact that your character can be so hurt and not even be unjustified in it - and thus altering the trajectory of the story forever.
spoilers if you haven't gotten to the ends yet :33!!!
I enjoy the idea that our MC gets the choice to go absolute batshit fucking crazy when Nash gets shot, the protective instincts are SREAMING. (i would also go batshit insane if my best friend/crush got shot)
but i feels like rohan is written to be female or nb. i chose for them to be male. and they still ask if i'll walk 'a gal' home. and are then mad that me (a woman) thinks he (a man) should be able to get himself home on his own. if anything he should be offering to walk me home.
also if you do the sex scene it felt very much like they were the girl. or playing the female part? idk maybe i'm explaining it badly. like they are sitting on the dresser while we're making out, and then they straddle you on the bed. definitely less of a big deal (not comment worthy). but it did feel strange.
honestly kind of agree with this. also, weren't we inebriated beforehand, and therefore unable to give proper consent?
edit: i feel that i should clarify my thoughts on this. while i can see where croi is coming from, as a victim myself, i also think that because this is a wip, of course things will be imperfect. i personally found no huge issues with the pacing, only that we don't currently have a chance to expand upon this entire experience in project hadea. perhaps that's coming up in the future? anyways, i'm very sorry for sparking a debate by replying to an old comment.
croi, i hope you're doing well! i'm sorry that you've also had bad experiences. if you ever need someone to reach out to, i'm more than happy to give you some support! please take good care of yourself :)
nyehilism, i love this wip. it's intense and dark and tumultuous, and that's shown perfectly in rohan's character. was it cool of him to perform very unlawful and improper surgery on us while drunk/post-sex? no. does it make him a very interesting character with motives that i want to learn more about? absolutely. i look forward to future updates! ^^
since you've demanded a response from me, here it is: this is not appropriate behaviour. you don't know me. you don't know my life, or the lives of anyone who's reacted to this comment. it's not appropriate for you to make these assumptions and take those feelings out on me and other readers like this. if you want to discuss this, you can approach me respectfully and politely.
I'm very sorry my game has brought up traumatic memories, but this is not the place for these kinds of comments, and for your own mental health I'd suggest not playing. the content warnings are there to allow you to make your own decisions about whether or not this game is for you, and if it's something you know will bring up trauma, it's best to avoid. I'm not interested in an extended discussion about rape, especially not in a public forum: further comments in this tone will be deleted.
I am truly every so grateful I found this masterpiece. It's just too great. The world building and storytelling is simply stellar. You have no idea how many times I caught my breath quickens, because of the anticipation while reading. The tensions, the frustrations, the feelings were truly raw... it was written splendidly.
Spoiler.
There was this part for Kiha's path in the other ship... I laughed so hard that was brilliant.
Of course I will replay and see other paths.. I am so seated for this. You are such a talented writer omg.
Also, I noticed a little typo here for your attention! Rocks bite as your knees as you drop...
Anyways. I feel like the best part about this whole masterpiece is the imagery. I'm not good with the body hurt parts, but you wrote it so well that I could imagine everything. Feels deep to my bones. Dang. Thank god I don't have to experience all that for real.
Is this because you need to know about this so you can form a physical fantasy in your head? I don't necessarily feel either way about your question. More than anything I am curious about why it is important to you.
Honestly that response to me indicates that you are interested in women. why are you trying to force gender on a character without gender? I'm a cis queer woman so maybe my viewpoint could do with input from people of other genders and representations, but I do believe being non binary means you don't feel you are either or any gender. So pursuing the gender of a non gendered character doesn't make sense. It just feels like you're trying to force a gender on them. I think perhaps, this what other people might be inferring and that is why they do not like your comment. Im not psychic though, I'm not always the best at understanding some topics but I am trying. I don't mean to be insulting or argumentative either. I seek an understanding of motivations, social knowledge and academic knowledge
You are asking for their SEX not their GENDER. They are non-binary which means that even IF they were assigned female at birth (afab) they are not a woman.
And yes it is rather offensive because demanding to know their sex makes it seem like you think that genitals are more important than how they identify. Which is gross. I hope you don't treat real people like this.
As much as I want to agree. I can kinda understand where their coming from. I've been on the other end as well, of being judged for anatomy over gender so I know it sucks. But even I have things that turn me off and on of the physical side of things reguardless of the gender of the person. And I don't see how being disrespectful of that is any better than being disrespectful of someone's true gender or sexual orientation.
Personally I may be more mentally flexable with the gender of a person. More about personality for me. But no matter how much I might wish otherwise. When it comes to physical nature, I can not just on a whim, change the fact that some female parts turn me off. I don't like that it is that way, but it is what it is.
I find myself also not sure how to imagine Noah, and I hope whenever/if our characters do get to be with them physically in story, it will be writen in a way that can be flexible to imagination at least.
"And I don't see how being disrespectful of that is any better than being disrespectful of someone's true gender or sexual orientation."
Given that demanding to know a non-binary person's downstairs mixup is patently rude and can be triggering for people with body disphoria, yeah it is pretty different.
For me it's a constant reminder that I will never escape the body I was stuck with and that it will always define me in some way despite my wishes. So like, yeah, seeing shit like that fucking sucks.
This is one of my absolute FAVVVORITE Wips, the writing the achievements are SOO satisfying I literally cannot wait for more updates I'm shaking this is so good 😭
Can you maybe make it possible to install with itch.io? Most of the if's I play can be installed on the app and it makes it way easier. Also I love your story and characters :)
The number of possible outcomes is so impressive and provides a lot of cool replayability, and 5 chapters feels like a blessing. The writing is also really good, and I really like how diverse the cast of characters are. Not too many that I lose track, but enough to give a lot of different interactions and conversations.
The characters feel so alive too, I've grown to like all of them and am especially attached to Joia (of course) and unexpectedly for me, Rhaxa? And Rohan gives me such intensely conflicted feelings of irritation that I can't help but appreciate her character all the more, even with the number of times she's stabbed my MC in the back.
Thank you for making this! Patiently awaiting the next chapter 😊
This is so good omg! I will replay this as many times as I have to, to get that Besties achievement. Joia my little angel, we will be besties. I have died trying, so nothin is goin to stop me 😭🤧✊🏾
thank youu<3 the besties achievement isn't actually achievable yet so don't die! it'll be in there soon💕 there's an achievement guide here which mentions which ones are achievable thus far, but be aware of spoilers:)
Wow I'm so stupid, lmao...let's just pretend that I didn't spend the last few hours trying to get that achievement 💀😂 But hey, at least I got to play through every possible combination of choices and it was amazing to see the different outcomes! Thank you so much for your hard work! 💞
I saw the guide and found "Reach and Flexibility" which reminded me of certain dialogue lines from Garrus Vakarian of Mass Effect. Was that a reference or a coincidence? XD
Also, I just have to mention cos it definitely deserves it's own post and to be mentioned - our MC is fecking awesome. THIS is how you write an MC! Can't wait to see more of our MC kicking the universe's ass, proving just why they were chosen as the operative to receive IVI, and of course taking their revenge on Scytha (with or without IVI, tho I do like having her about!). Also, Joia (btw, how do you pronounce her name?) is a sweetie. Hope we continue to bond with her (maybe even adopt her in the far future), tho I know it will take time considering her trauma and likely trust issues. I really like the Found Family trope, especially with a tough, egotistical, selfish MC having to explore the side of themselves they've been distinctly ignoring. lol
Fantastic update - I've played this game to death since I first came across it, so every new update is a blessing. Love Rohan. Very intrigued about this new alien!
Figured I'd mention a bug. Okay, a bug AND something that I found a bit weird. If you choose to contact Scytha instead of Rohan's "person", when you come onboard Lance scans all the ID's, then you get a video call from the Director, right? Well there's a bug where, if you didn't kill Rohan (like in my case), and you lie to the director and say you did, MC will recall Rohan's dead body in the text as if he'd killed him, when Rohan is actually fine and well and on the ship. The other thing I found really weird was speaking about Rohan with the Director after lying about killing him, she describes what he look like, etc. However, considering this is the director, and Lance literally just scanned Rohan's ID when he came on board, AND found IVI with him, surely the lie would completely fail as she'd already know Rohan was on the ship? I mean, the Director would surely have already been informed, by Lance, of the fact that someone who was NOT a Scytha operative had IVI in their possession, and the ID of that individual was that of Rohan. Unless Rohan is using a fake ID, which is pretty probable (although the MC could probably speculate or come to that conclusion, to make it clear to the player), but that still wouldn't stop the Director from being informed of, and wanting to know the reason for, IVI being in the possession of someone in your entourage, rather than in your head.
Anyway, on tenterhooks for what comes next. More sexual tension with Rohan, and maybe some payoff for it? :D
so - something I could definitely make clearer in the writing - the Project is a sub-operation within Scytha, and a lot of the wider company aren't aware of it. Lance wouldn't have clearance to know about specific projects, especially not one like Hadea, so he wouldn't know IVI exists - all he knows is that Rohan's got something high-tech and shady and xe's cagey about what it is. as far as he's concerned, his job is to take you all into custody. and yes, Rohan's very much using a fake ID👀
as for the dead body bug, I'll try to hunt that down, thank you! and I'm glad you enjoyed the game<3
In the chapter 4, if you decide to call to your organization and lie about R, you describe R's name and appearance in details. Is that a bug or that's what suppose to happen?
Also, if you get a "vaccine shot", you get an "Unexpected token" error.
yes, that's supposed to happen - if you killed Rohan and lied about it, there's no reason to lie about xir appearance; if you left xem alive and lied about it, the operative is basically fishing for information about xem from the director, and not really planning ahead.
I swear to God you are trying to kill me with these endings to updates. Nooooo like come on man. I hated this so much.. not really i loved it but fuck it. Lmao this is too good and now i got cliffhangers on cliffhangers. It's so sad 😭🤣
The update was fantastic! I cannot wait for more! One thing I did notice is when coming back to the shuttle after choosing not to go after the sniper the text seemed a bit confused. Came back with Ki-Ha and Joia but then the next page had me asking where they were. And when asking where Raxha was on the page after that the response to that question was "yes we should get Skylar..."
Spoilers below! Probably....and might be a long ass comment sooo prepare yourselves!
First of all, i enjoyed the update a lot , your writing is great like always, and i enjoy reading it a lot.
I enjoyed the scenes with Rhaxa a lot, whether i chose to be a dick or not, and found interacting with him very amusing.
I really enjoyed how you made keeping R alive rewarding, by making them suffer, and Nash gained a lot of points in my book for using them as bait! And R Can bet their butt I'm not taking pity on them in the slightest. I tried to be nice to them but it didn't sit well with pretty much any fiber of my being......guess I'm not the forgiving type of person.....oh well!!!👀
And all the bravado R keeps, telling us to kill them, seemed to have gone out the window but that's understandable, what isn't is them thinking that Nash would care enough about their safety, considering they ruined their friends life and possibly ended it, along with theirs no matter who we choose to call.
And I'm starting to believe more and more that IVI might have become a permanent part of our fooked up brain, in an attempt to stay sentient? Or to stop her self from being separated from us by R. Either that or we're having phantom feelings and are too used to having her in our heads
Oh and i found a typo, after the choice to lunge at R when we get on the ship at the last few, it says "more to more" i forgot what was being said to be honest....
In conclusion great update, and keep up the great work bud!👍👀
GOD DAMN IT. CLIFF HANGERS. WE GET CRUMBS OF PAIN AND SUFFERING AND THEN WE GET A CLIFF HANGER. I HATE IT HERE. (I don’t I love this If I’m just way too emotionally invested at this point.)
The ROs are Nash, Rohan, Leanna, Ki-Ha, Rhaxa, and Imxa (who hasn't been introduced yet - she appears in the coming update!). Leanna is only romanceable by female or nonbinary operatives, and Ki-Ha is only romanceable by male operatives :)
OH MY FLIP FLOPPIN B'JEEBERS, THIS WAS AMAZING. I felt every smidgen of those emotions and experiences in this thing, may have made me tremble and cry a few times. Holy heck I cannot wait for the full thing to be finished and even when it's not you left it off at such a nice point too, still a cliffhanger but not enough to be maddening. Everything was very satisfying and immersive, and I'm happy there was an actual option to murder that one individual. Loved it. Once my health is better and I can get work I'll be supporting you as much as possible :]
I need to find friends to drag over here so I can theorize about the future with them now, so much to say.
there isn’t one at the moment - if there's interest I can definitely put one together, but it won't be until after the next update! not all the achievements are currently... achievable, at the moment, so don’t worry about not getting them all yet :-)
My eyes dilated when I know that we can't actually fuckin kill R on the spot. That shit is real and it blown my mind I thought we unable to actually do it 😂 i can stop laughing after chosing it.
For godsake, why every choice to torture 'em is so oddly satisfying although I'm not really mad at him LMAO
Would the whimpering of some child whom I didn't want to take along in the first place stop me from strangling Rohan? 🤔 No. No, it wouldn't. Not a chance in hell. In fact, it feels jarringly unnatural. MC needs to sort out their priorities.
Wearing a shirt that says “sure xe’s a red flag but red’s one of my favourite colours so what about it” and when I turn around it says “my guy given the aliens and the private company that fakes your death and removes your identity so it can kill you if you’re no longer an asset I don’t know if traditional morality applies in the exact same way all the time” (the text is very small) and then when I turn around again I’m somehow holding a sign that says “GET FOUND FAMILY’D, IDIOT”
Anyway Nash’s character makes me feel secret emotions but if R thinks xe’s getting away with this unbefriended that is xir mistake.
I would just like to say that this is amazingly written, can't get the beggining of the story out of my head for a weak already, and have seen I think every possible branch currently available, eagerly awaiting the continuation. :D
Also, a spoiler question:
How in the hell do you get the R kissing scene instead of them telling you to back off in ch3?
I somehow stumbled on it on my first playthrough and couldn't replicate it at all after, it's been driving me crazy. :D
(Let me rub my trauma against yours already, you crazy back alley surgeon)
And that scene varies depending on your relationship with Rohan! if you're on the rivalry route, you'll get that scene; if you're on the friendship route, you'll get the other one hehe
What's the friendship route? Is it where you didn't, yknow, before R took the Ai from you? And if you did yknow do it with R will there be no way to kiss them? And will both routes allow the romance to continue? Also wanted to say this was really fucking good, great job!
spoilers
Also wanted to say, out of curiosity I killed R, and damn you described it perfectly, so brutal, and it left me feeling disturbed. Really well done, felt like I had actually killed someone, and it left me feeling really empty. And the reactions from everyone else really solidified it. God damn. Also really ballsy to actually allow you to kill a main character like that, not many games allow you to do that!
Oh and one more thing, in another comment you said there might be an update around the end of this year. And since its nearly that time, no pressure obviously, and you owe all of us nothing. How's the progress on that next chapter?
choosing to/not to sleep with rohan in chapter one has no impact on friendship/rivalry - the different routes come from how you treat xem later. you get friendship points for listening to xem, showing interest in xir opinions and particularly from showing care/worry about IVI, while rivalry points come from shutting xem down, disregarding xir opinions on IVI, and being pro-scytha in your conversations. you can romance xem on either route, whatever your choices in chapter one - the only locks at the moment are at the end of chapter three, and these choices are available regardless of if you're friendly or rivals.
the update is very nearly done - it probably won't be released in the next couple of days, but I'm in the process of finishing it off and cleaning it up for release in january!
thank you sm<33 I'm glad you're enjoying the game!
You need to look at my comment on the project hadea page. I think your handling of the MC's trauma response to being raped needs work. I have gone through horrible shit, so have people I love. Give the character a chance to out him for what he did. Give us some kind of catharsis in between killing him and just pretending it didn't happen. And yes, it is rape, though on the PH page that word is very obviously avoided. Sex under false pretenses is rape. It is something that happens, so seeing it in writing and movies and stuff isn't inappropriate to me. As long as it is handled well. I really believe this part needs serious reworking.
This is a great story, but this specific part just feels like it needs some fine tuning.
Absolutely agree, I was really shocked it went there, and then really disappointed that such a serious topic was handled so poorly. And it’s an RO route?? BARF.
I'm aiming for around the end of the year, but that's not set in stone. I am still actively working on the game, but I have a full-time job and other commitments so things are moving slowly (but they are still moving!).
This game is one of those few that i would call an absolute master piece the writer does such an excellent job of putting you in the main characters shoes and making you feel the emotions they feel i waited two days after playing this game to see if i would come down from that feeling you normally get when you play a new game to write an honest review and i still find myself thinking of the characters in the dynamics of the story. Each character feels as if there alive and there's a lot of different moving pieces.
SPOILERS AHEAD PLS PLAY THE GAME FIRST AND COME BACK ITS WORTH YOUR TIME
So Theirs a certain character in the story that i knew was up to no good at all and was susing them from the very start like minding my own business after a hard day at work and then they start being sus and dont go away when i tell them to when i was like nah leave me alone and they stayed i knew something was up but holy nothing but prepare me for the events that came next the story went absolutely crazy and it was fucking amazing and immediately i was like ima hunt her down and shoot her aint no way bro. But then things got even crazier and more insane i was like holy this goes hard there aint no way bro. Then you meet your new Daughter after some events and get called by best boy at least in my play through and ride or die brother who you get introduced to during the first little bit of the story. No i lie i would take a bullet for Nash another part is how quickly the reader got me to make a connection with IVI like i was as equally mad a i feel like my character would have been and i was ready to do anything to get her back.However this does change slightly there's one scene in particular that put cracks in my hatred for Rohan and its when shes playing cards with the little girl you saved. Now if you haven't seen this scene go back and play through it because it gives you so much insight to her character Didn't make me dislike her any less however i saw were she was coming from like she had a different Outlook on IVI than i did and was like shes making sense but i just disagreed with her outlook completely she did flesh out IVI a whole lot more than i thought was going to happen as well which one thing we agreed on kinda was IVI was more like a person than not its just and its kinda like this whole thing like would you rather be a slave and live or never have existed at all. Which is like one side you have i want them to experience the beauty and ugliness of this world even if there never truly free However one day maybe you could set them free and on the other its like. I would rather never exist at all then be a tool to someone else and its crazy. However i still dislike Rohan but i love her character its like shes made for you to hate her and shes coming from this entirely different view point and shes doing everything in her power to free this being. Which leads into me not being able to shoot her when given the opportunity i still hated her but that didn't mean she deserved to die. Did i punch her once tho hell yea i did did it make me feel better. no i was still mad also the other options didn't feel as in character like the kiss option was there and i was like ??????? HUH I still hate her and the other was like shoot her and im like hmmm i have but one choice suckerpunch.exe i would have probably gone with a more passive option but maybe not i was mad anyway back to the card playing scene alot of the info from that had also planted a seed i had not even noticed i was like damm this corp im working for is sus as fuck like i dunno anything about them really except for the stuff other characters have told me and there like you work for them stare. so when Rohan said the stuff about IVI i was like hmmm I still do not like you at all but i do care about this AI so call your people but ima still try and steal her back from you the first chance i get. Deep Breath
i could go on for hours about the Rohan stuff however i wanna talk about some of the other characters so the Captain of the ship that you get into i like her alot shes interesting but im more curious to where her story goes from here im not sure however shes like the character i spent the third most time with the other interesting character that feels like there about to have there arc soon is the alien that in the ship with you like it feels like there having a lot of build up and hiding a lot of secrets. The other two the ships mechanic and the brother to the captain i didn't spend to much time with so im not really sure of them but they are absolutely important characters like without them things wouldn't be able to progress and its good to have them there.
Overall this game is amazing and ill be waiting for more this game has easily won its way into my heart and is competing not just with my favorite interactive fiction games of all time but all the games i have ever played overtime its that good lots and lots of love to the writer with this one there doing an amazing job and they have a gift for story telling that some people don't have and they can make there worlds feel alive there is nothing more to say i hope everyone at least gives this game a chance because im sure if they do it will win them over too as it had done me
Hello, i liked reading your comment and seeing your points, but the part about R wanting to set IVI free confused me, granted i haven't Replayed the game in a while, but don't they want to sell her pretty much like a slave?👀
So I played this a while back but I wanted to come back and check if there's been any updates/new info. There hasn't, but I played it again anyway because I do love it.
So spoilers, but
I'm so torn with the Call Scytha/Call Rohan's people choice. Because going with Scytha is one of the few ways that you can get IVI back right now, but also going with Rohan's people gives you the opportunity to build relationships more - I'm guessing that's the whole axis of that choice, tbh. And I know that the chance to get IVI back will come along later in the storyline anyway but with how I play the Operative (frankly just devastated by losing her, and willing to do anything short of murder/grevious bodily harm to get her back... that chance, it feels so important to get it.
I love Nash so much, they give me this butterfly feelings. I feel like my MC could connect to them in more emotional way 🥺🥰. It's awkward but for some reason im digging it .
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i really love the ability to just straight up kill Rohan. like, i absolutely hate their entire character and don't give a shit about any of their justifications (not a criticism of the game, to be clear. they're well enough written)
the fact they're a love interest would mean, in most cases of this type of game, that the MC would be expected to just forget what Rohan did and what happened, so i was pleasantly surprised when the option came up to murder them.
i understand this is probably not the good choice, but it just feels way more real to me than any other option would be, like forgiving them or letting them live.
i guess what i'm saying is i like the option to be an angry, vengeful person. it's a pleasant change from some other games like this, and is very satisfying as a gameplay experience.
Personally, I very much enjoyed the ability to hate them, to hit them, etc., and then let them live, because like. Nobody would expect you to forgive someone who cut off your arm.
It's one of those things where I find the 'I hate your guts and in any other circumstance I wouldn't tolerate you' dynamic so interesting. But other things matter more to my MC in this case, and they don't want to just be the big scary murderer.
yeah, i get that, but i probably didn't word my point as well as i should have, cause like, it's not exactly about the killing of rohan per-se.
like yeah, hitting them but letting them live is cool and all, but the ability to remove them from the story by killing them is what i really appreciate.
i guess what im saying is the praise im giving the story is more structural than plot based.
again, though, totally valid. i think that i said in my earlier comment that killing them is probably the wrong decision.
also sorry if this reply is weird, i like talking about this and felt like clarifying, but i get you might not have wanted or expected a response, so sorry bout that.
Oh, no, I got what you were saying entirely. It's the power of that choice - the fact that your character can be so hurt and not even be unjustified in it - and thus altering the trajectory of the story forever.
oh yeah, exactly
guess I was the one who didn't get your point then, lol
i love this so much I'm going to implode
spoilers if you haven't gotten to the ends yet :33!!!
I enjoy the idea that our MC gets the choice to go absolute batshit fucking crazy when Nash gets shot, the protective instincts are SREAMING. (i would also go batshit insane if my best friend/crush got shot)
OMG I LOVE THIS SMMM!!! I CANT WAIT FOR THE NEXT CHAPTER OMG-
I absolutely love this!! It's super interesting and I love the story line!
*MILD SPOILERS* idk it happens in chapter one.
but i feels like rohan is written to be female or nb. i chose for them to be male. and they still ask if i'll walk 'a gal' home. and are then mad that me (a woman) thinks he (a man) should be able to get himself home on his own. if anything he should be offering to walk me home.
also if you do the sex scene it felt very much like they were the girl. or playing the female part? idk maybe i'm explaining it badly. like they are sitting on the dresser while we're making out, and then they straddle you on the bed. definitely less of a big deal (not comment worthy). but it did feel strange.
thats their gnc swag
'Walk a gal home' is sort of a phrase. Not really meant to be taken literally. Hope this helps.
honestly kind of agree with this. also, weren't we inebriated beforehand, and therefore unable to give proper consent?
edit: i feel that i should clarify my thoughts on this. while i can see where croi is coming from, as a victim myself, i also think that because this is a wip, of course things will be imperfect. i personally found no huge issues with the pacing, only that we don't currently have a chance to expand upon this entire experience in project hadea. perhaps that's coming up in the future? anyways, i'm very sorry for sparking a debate by replying to an old comment.
croi, i hope you're doing well! i'm sorry that you've also had bad experiences. if you ever need someone to reach out to, i'm more than happy to give you some support! please take good care of yourself :)
nyehilism, i love this wip. it's intense and dark and tumultuous, and that's shown perfectly in rohan's character. was it cool of him to perform very unlawful and improper surgery on us while drunk/post-sex? no. does it make him a very interesting character with motives that i want to learn more about? absolutely. i look forward to future updates! ^^
since you've demanded a response from me, here it is: this is not appropriate behaviour. you don't know me. you don't know my life, or the lives of anyone who's reacted to this comment. it's not appropriate for you to make these assumptions and take those feelings out on me and other readers like this. if you want to discuss this, you can approach me respectfully and politely.
I'm very sorry my game has brought up traumatic memories, but this is not the place for these kinds of comments, and for your own mental health I'd suggest not playing. the content warnings are there to allow you to make your own decisions about whether or not this game is for you, and if it's something you know will bring up trauma, it's best to avoid. I'm not interested in an extended discussion about rape, especially not in a public forum: further comments in this tone will be deleted.
this is soo goodd!!! thanks for making this!! that chapter five cliffhanger is killing me omg those choices are painful
this game is really really awesome. I hope it will be continued :)
I am truly every so grateful I found this masterpiece. It's just too great. The world building and storytelling is simply stellar. You have no idea how many times I caught my breath quickens, because of the anticipation while reading. The tensions, the frustrations, the feelings were truly raw... it was written splendidly.
Spoiler.
There was this part for Kiha's path in the other ship... I laughed so hard that was brilliant.
Of course I will replay and see other paths.. I am so seated for this. You are such a talented writer omg.
Also, I noticed a little typo here for your attention! Rocks bite as your knees as you drop...
Anyways. I feel like the best part about this whole masterpiece is the imagery. I'm not good with the body hurt parts, but you wrote it so well that I could imagine everything. Feels deep to my bones. Dang. Thank god I don't have to experience all that for real.
Without offending can I just ask what the sex of the nbs are?
Bloody brilliant, my favourite is Captain Lee. Can't wait for more.
why are ppl disliking your comment lol
Because apparently it's offensive to want to know what an ROs gender is even if they go by NB.
Is this because you need to know about this so you can form a physical fantasy in your head? I don't necessarily feel either way about your question. More than anything I am curious about why it is important to you.
I only romance women, so I tend to steer clear from NBs unless I know their gender.
I see. So do you mean sex or gender? Because they are different.
Honestly that response to me indicates that you are interested in women. why are you trying to force gender on a character without gender? I'm a cis queer woman so maybe my viewpoint could do with input from people of other genders and representations, but I do believe being non binary means you don't feel you are either or any gender. So pursuing the gender of a non gendered character doesn't make sense. It just feels like you're trying to force a gender on them.
I think perhaps, this what other people might be inferring and that is why they do not like your comment. Im not psychic though, I'm not always the best at understanding some topics but I am trying. I don't mean to be insulting or argumentative either. I seek an understanding of motivations, social knowledge and academic knowledge
You are asking for their SEX not their GENDER. They are non-binary which means that even IF they were assigned female at birth (afab) they are not a woman.
And yes it is rather offensive because demanding to know their sex makes it seem like you think that genitals are more important than how they identify. Which is gross. I hope you don't treat real people like this.
As much as I want to agree. I can kinda understand where their coming from. I've been on the other end as well, of being judged for anatomy over gender so I know it sucks. But even I have things that turn me off and on of the physical side of things reguardless of the gender of the person. And I don't see how being disrespectful of that is any better than being disrespectful of someone's true gender or sexual orientation.
Personally I may be more mentally flexable with the gender of a person. More about personality for me. But no matter how much I might wish otherwise. When it comes to physical nature, I can not just on a whim, change the fact that some female parts turn me off. I don't like that it is that way, but it is what it is.
I find myself also not sure how to imagine Noah, and I hope whenever/if our characters do get to be with them physically in story, it will be writen in a way that can be flexible to imagination at least.
"And I don't see how being disrespectful of that is any better than being disrespectful of someone's true gender or sexual orientation."
Given that demanding to know a non-binary person's downstairs mixup is patently rude and can be triggering for people with body disphoria, yeah it is pretty different.
For me it's a constant reminder that I will never escape the body I was stuck with and that it will always define me in some way despite my wishes. So like, yeah, seeing shit like that fucking sucks.
This is one of my absolute FAVVVORITE Wips, the writing the achievements are SOO satisfying I literally cannot wait for more updates I'm shaking this is so good 😭
Can you maybe make it possible to install with itch.io? Most of the if's I play can be installed on the app and it makes it way easier. Also I love your story and characters :)
i feel like i should get like three more achievements for horrible taste. i am still unfortunately in love with rohan, despite his everything
I thought I was the only insane one 😭😭
This is absolutely amazing!!
The number of possible outcomes is so impressive and provides a lot of cool replayability, and 5 chapters feels like a blessing. The writing is also really good, and I really like how diverse the cast of characters are. Not too many that I lose track, but enough to give a lot of different interactions and conversations.
The characters feel so alive too, I've grown to like all of them and am especially attached to Joia (of course) and unexpectedly for me, Rhaxa? And Rohan gives me such intensely conflicted feelings of irritation that I can't help but appreciate her character all the more, even with the number of times she's stabbed my MC in the back.
Thank you for making this! Patiently awaiting the next chapter 😊
This is so good omg! I will replay this as many times as I have to, to get that Besties achievement. Joia my little angel, we will be besties. I have died trying, so nothin is goin to stop me 😭🤧✊🏾
thank youu<3 the besties achievement isn't actually achievable yet so don't die! it'll be in there soon💕 there's an achievement guide here which mentions which ones are achievable thus far, but be aware of spoilers:)
Wow I'm so stupid, lmao...let's just pretend that I didn't spend the last few hours trying to get that achievement 💀😂 But hey, at least I got to play through every possible combination of choices and it was amazing to see the different outcomes! Thank you so much for your hard work! 💞
I saw the guide and found "Reach and Flexibility" which reminded me of certain dialogue lines from Garrus Vakarian of Mass Effect. Was that a reference or a coincidence? XD
that's a reference! there's a few scifi refs in there haha<3
I don't know if it's on purpose, but this doesn't seem to work with the itch app
What's the total word count as of now?
I think it's around 390k words! not 100% sure, but that's my guess:)
Nahhh you can't do this to me. Can't leave me on this cliffhanger... :crying: another AMAZING update. Love ya...
Also, I just have to mention cos it definitely deserves it's own post and to be mentioned - our MC is fecking awesome. THIS is how you write an MC!
Can't wait to see more of our MC kicking the universe's ass, proving just why they were chosen as the operative to receive IVI, and of course taking their revenge on Scytha (with or without IVI, tho I do like having her about!).
Also, Joia (btw, how do you pronounce her name?) is a sweetie. Hope we continue to bond with her (maybe even adopt her in the far future), tho I know it will take time considering her trauma and likely trust issues. I really like the Found Family trope, especially with a tough, egotistical, selfish MC having to explore the side of themselves they've been distinctly ignoring. lol
Fantastic update - I've played this game to death since I first came across it, so every new update is a blessing. Love Rohan. Very intrigued about this new alien!
Figured I'd mention a bug. Okay, a bug AND something that I found a bit weird. If you choose to contact Scytha instead of Rohan's "person", when you come onboard Lance scans all the ID's, then you get a video call from the Director, right? Well there's a bug where, if you didn't kill Rohan (like in my case), and you lie to the director and say you did, MC will recall Rohan's dead body in the text as if he'd killed him, when Rohan is actually fine and well and on the ship.
The other thing I found really weird was speaking about Rohan with the Director after lying about killing him, she describes what he look like, etc. However, considering this is the director, and Lance literally just scanned Rohan's ID when he came on board, AND found IVI with him, surely the lie would completely fail as she'd already know Rohan was on the ship? I mean, the Director would surely have already been informed, by Lance, of the fact that someone who was NOT a Scytha operative had IVI in their possession, and the ID of that individual was that of Rohan. Unless Rohan is using a fake ID, which is pretty probable (although the MC could probably speculate or come to that conclusion, to make it clear to the player), but that still wouldn't stop the Director from being informed of, and wanting to know the reason for, IVI being in the possession of someone in your entourage, rather than in your head.
Anyway, on tenterhooks for what comes next. More sexual tension with Rohan, and maybe some payoff for it? :D
so - something I could definitely make clearer in the writing - the Project is a sub-operation within Scytha, and a lot of the wider company aren't aware of it. Lance wouldn't have clearance to know about specific projects, especially not one like Hadea, so he wouldn't know IVI exists - all he knows is that Rohan's got something high-tech and shady and xe's cagey about what it is. as far as he's concerned, his job is to take you all into custody. and yes, Rohan's very much using a fake ID👀
as for the dead body bug, I'll try to hunt that down, thank you! and I'm glad you enjoyed the game<3
I like it, but I have some questions.
In the chapter 4, if you decide to call to your organization and lie about R, you describe R's name and appearance in details. Is that a bug or that's what suppose to happen?
Also, if you get a "vaccine shot", you get an "Unexpected token" error.
yes, that's supposed to happen - if you killed Rohan and lied about it, there's no reason to lie about xir appearance; if you left xem alive and lied about it, the operative is basically fishing for information about xem from the director, and not really planning ahead.
Thanks for the reply.
Love Nash and Raxha 😍❤️. And the new alien seems interesting.
I swear to God you are trying to kill me with these endings to updates. Nooooo like come on man. I hated this so much.. not really i loved it but fuck it. Lmao this is too good and now i got cliffhangers on cliffhangers. It's so sad 😭🤣
The update was fantastic! I cannot wait for more! One thing I did notice is when coming back to the shuttle after choosing not to go after the sniper the text seemed a bit confused. Came back with Ki-Ha and Joia but then the next page had me asking where they were. And when asking where Raxha was on the page after that the response to that question was "yes we should get Skylar..."
Spoilers below! Probably....and might be a long ass comment sooo prepare yourselves!
First of all, i enjoyed the update a lot , your writing is great like always, and i enjoy reading it a lot.
I enjoyed the scenes with Rhaxa a lot, whether i chose to be a dick or not, and found interacting with him very amusing.
I really enjoyed how you made keeping R alive rewarding, by making them suffer, and Nash gained a lot of points in my book for using them as bait! And R Can bet their butt I'm not taking pity on them in the slightest. I tried to be nice to them but it didn't sit well with pretty much any fiber of my being......guess I'm not the forgiving type of person.....oh well!!!👀
And all the bravado R keeps, telling us to kill them, seemed to have gone out the window but that's understandable, what isn't is them thinking that Nash would care enough about their safety, considering they ruined their friends life and possibly ended it, along with theirs no matter who we choose to call.
And I'm starting to believe more and more that IVI might have become a permanent part of our fooked up brain, in an attempt to stay sentient? Or to stop her self from being separated from us by R. Either that or we're having phantom feelings and are too used to having her in our heads
Oh and i found a typo, after the choice to lunge at R when we get on the ship at the last few, it says "more to more" i forgot what was being said to be honest....
In conclusion great update, and keep up the great work bud!👍👀
GOD DAMN IT. CLIFF HANGERS. WE GET CRUMBS OF PAIN AND SUFFERING AND THEN WE GET A CLIFF HANGER. I HATE IT HERE. (I don’t I love this If I’m just way too emotionally invested at this point.)
The ROs are Nash, Rohan, Leanna, Ki-Ha, Rhaxa, and Imxa (who hasn't been introduced yet - she appears in the coming update!). Leanna is only romanceable by female or nonbinary operatives, and Ki-Ha is only romanceable by male operatives :)
10 out of 10
Is this story still being worked on?
Yes! There is an update coming next week, in fact<3
OH MY FLIP FLOPPIN B'JEEBERS, THIS WAS AMAZING. I felt every smidgen of those emotions and experiences in this thing, may have made me tremble and cry a few times. Holy heck I cannot wait for the full thing to be finished and even when it's not you left it off at such a nice point too, still a cliffhanger but not enough to be maddening. Everything was very satisfying and immersive, and I'm happy there was an actual option to murder that one individual. Loved it. Once my health is better and I can get work I'll be supporting you as much as possible :]
I need to find friends to drag over here so I can theorize about the future with them now, so much to say.
is there an achievement guide somewhere?
there isn’t one at the moment - if there's interest I can definitely put one together, but it won't be until after the next update! not all the achievements are currently... achievable, at the moment, so don’t worry about not getting them all yet :-)
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My eyes dilated when I know that we can't actually fuckin kill R on the spot. That shit is real and it blown my mind I thought we unable to actually do it 😂 i can stop laughing after chosing it.
For godsake, why every choice to torture 'em is so oddly satisfying although I'm not really mad at him LMAO
Would the whimpering of some child whom I didn't want to take along in the first place stop me from strangling Rohan? 🤔 No. No, it wouldn't. Not a chance in hell. In fact, it feels jarringly unnatural. MC needs to sort out their priorities.
(I don’t know if any of this counts as spoilers)
Wearing a shirt that says “sure xe’s a red flag but red’s one of my favourite colours so what about it” and when I turn around it says “my guy given the aliens and the private company that fakes your death and removes your identity so it can kill you if you’re no longer an asset I don’t know if traditional morality applies in the exact same way all the time” (the text is very small) and then when I turn around again I’m somehow holding a sign that says “GET FOUND FAMILY’D, IDIOT”
Anyway Nash’s character makes me feel secret emotions but if R thinks xe’s getting away with this unbefriended that is xir mistake.
Hello.
I would just like to say that this is amazingly written, can't get the beggining of the story out of my head for a weak already, and have seen I think every possible branch currently available, eagerly awaiting the continuation. :D
Also, a spoiler question:
How in the hell do you get the R kissing scene instead of them telling you to back off in ch3?
I somehow stumbled on it on my first playthrough and couldn't replicate it at all after, it's been driving me crazy. :D
(Let me rub my trauma against yours already, you crazy back alley surgeon)
Thank you!!<33
And that scene varies depending on your relationship with Rohan! if you're on the rivalry route, you'll get that scene; if you're on the friendship route, you'll get the other one hehe
Oh, so it is directly the opposite of what I was trying to do! Now it all becomes clear and I feel like a dum dum.
Thank you for taking your time to answer!
What's the friendship route? Is it where you didn't, yknow, before R took the Ai from you? And if you did yknow do it with R will there be no way to kiss them? And will both routes allow the romance to continue? Also wanted to say this was really fucking good, great job!
spoilers
Also wanted to say, out of curiosity I killed R, and damn you described it perfectly, so brutal, and it left me feeling disturbed. Really well done, felt like I had actually killed someone, and it left me feeling really empty. And the reactions from everyone else really solidified it. God damn. Also really ballsy to actually allow you to kill a main character like that, not many games allow you to do that!
Oh and one more thing, in another comment you said there might be an update around the end of this year. And since its nearly that time, no pressure obviously, and you owe all of us nothing. How's the progress on that next chapter?
choosing to/not to sleep with rohan in chapter one has no impact on friendship/rivalry - the different routes come from how you treat xem later. you get friendship points for listening to xem, showing interest in xir opinions and particularly from showing care/worry about IVI, while rivalry points come from shutting xem down, disregarding xir opinions on IVI, and being pro-scytha in your conversations. you can romance xem on either route, whatever your choices in chapter one - the only locks at the moment are at the end of chapter three, and these choices are available regardless of if you're friendly or rivals.
the update is very nearly done - it probably won't be released in the next couple of days, but I'm in the process of finishing it off and cleaning it up for release in january!
thank you sm<33 I'm glad you're enjoying the game!
Just a bit confused -- does the kiss scene happen on the rivalry or friendship route?
only one the rivalry route!
You need to look at my comment on the project hadea page. I think your handling of the MC's trauma response to being raped needs work. I have gone through horrible shit, so have people I love. Give the character a chance to out him for what he did. Give us some kind of catharsis in between killing him and just pretending it didn't happen. And yes, it is rape, though on the PH page that word is very obviously avoided. Sex under false pretenses is rape. It is something that happens, so seeing it in writing and movies and stuff isn't inappropriate to me. As long as it is handled well. I really believe this part needs serious reworking.
This is a great story, but this specific part just feels like it needs some fine tuning.
Absolutely agree, I was really shocked it went there, and then really disappointed that such a serious topic was handled so poorly. And it’s an RO route?? BARF.
When is the next update?
I'm aiming for around the end of the year, but that's not set in stone. I am still actively working on the game, but I have a full-time job and other commitments so things are moving slowly (but they are still moving!).
This game is one of those few that i would call an absolute master piece the writer does such an excellent job of putting
you in the main characters shoes and making you feel the emotions they feel i waited two days after playing this game to see if i would come down from that feeling you normally get when you play a new game to write an honest review and i still find myself thinking of the characters in the dynamics of the story. Each character feels as if there alive and there's a lot of different moving pieces.
SPOILERS AHEAD PLS PLAY THE GAME FIRST AND COME BACK ITS WORTH YOUR TIME
So Theirs a certain character in the story that i knew was up to no good at all and was susing them from the very start like minding my own business after a hard day at work and then they start being sus and dont go away when i tell them to when i was like nah leave me alone and they stayed i knew something was up but holy nothing but prepare me for the events that came next the story went absolutely crazy and it was fucking amazing and immediately i was like ima hunt her down and shoot her aint no way bro. But then things got even crazier and more insane i was like holy this goes hard there aint no way bro. Then you meet your new Daughter after some events and get called by best boy at least in my play through and ride or die brother who you get introduced to during the first little bit of the story. No i lie i would take a bullet for Nash another part is how quickly the reader got me to make a connection with IVI like i was as equally mad a i feel like my character would have been and i was ready to do anything to get her back.However this does change slightly there's one scene in particular that put cracks in my hatred for Rohan and its when shes playing cards with the little girl you saved. Now if you haven't seen this scene go back and play through it because it gives you so much insight to her character Didn't make me dislike her any less however i saw were she was coming from like she had a different Outlook on IVI than i did and was like shes making sense but i just disagreed with her outlook completely she did flesh out IVI a whole lot more than i thought was going to happen as well which one thing we agreed on kinda was IVI was more like a person than not its just and its kinda like this whole thing like would you rather be a slave and live or never have existed at all. Which is like one side you have i want them to experience the beauty and ugliness of this world even if there never truly free However one day maybe you could set them free and on the other its like. I would rather never exist at all then be a tool to someone else and its crazy. However i still dislike Rohan but i love her character its like shes made for you to hate her and shes coming from this entirely different view point and shes doing everything in her power to free this being. Which leads into me not being able to shoot her when given the opportunity i still hated her but that didn't mean she deserved to die. Did i punch her once tho hell yea i did did it make me feel better. no i was still mad also the other options didn't feel as in character like the kiss option was there and i was like ??????? HUH I still hate her and the other was like shoot her and im like hmmm i have but one choice suckerpunch.exe i would have probably gone with a more passive option but maybe not i was mad anyway back to the card playing scene alot of the info from that had also planted a seed i had not even noticed i was like damm this corp im working for is sus as fuck like i dunno anything about them really except for the stuff other characters have told me and there like you work for them stare. so when Rohan said the stuff about IVI i was like hmmm I still do not like you at all but i do care about this AI so call your people but ima still try and steal her back from you the first chance i get.
Deep Breath
i could go on for hours about the Rohan stuff however i wanna talk about some of the other characters so the Captain of the ship that you get into i like her alot shes interesting but im more curious to where her story goes from here im not sure however shes like the character i spent the third most time with the other interesting character that feels like there about to have there arc soon is the alien that in the ship with you like it feels like there having a lot of build up and hiding a lot of secrets. The other two the ships mechanic and the brother to the captain i didn't spend to much time with so im not really sure of them but they are absolutely important characters like without them things wouldn't be able to progress and its good to have them there.
Overall this game is amazing and ill be waiting for more this game has easily won its way into my heart and is competing not just with my favorite interactive fiction games of all time but all the games i have ever played overtime its that good lots and lots of love to the writer with this one there doing an amazing job and they have a gift for story telling that some people don't have and they can make there worlds feel alive there is nothing more to say i hope everyone at least gives this game a chance because im sure if they do it will win them over too as it had done me
Hello, i liked reading your comment and seeing your points, but the part about R wanting to set IVI free confused me, granted i haven't Replayed the game in a while, but don't they want to sell her pretty much like a slave?👀
So I played this a while back but I wanted to come back and check if there's been any updates/new info. There hasn't, but I played it again anyway because I do love it.
So spoilers, but
I'm so torn with the Call Scytha/Call Rohan's people choice. Because going with Scytha is one of the few ways that you can get IVI back right now, but also going with Rohan's people gives you the opportunity to build relationships more - I'm guessing that's the whole axis of that choice, tbh. And I know that the chance to get IVI back will come along later in the storyline anyway but with how I play the Operative (frankly just devastated by losing her, and willing to do anything short of murder/grevious bodily harm to get her back... that chance, it feels so important to get it.
I love Nash so much, they give me this butterfly feelings. I feel like my MC could connect to them in more emotional way 🥺🥰. It's awkward but for some reason im digging it .